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	<title>Comments on: Clinton Sends Mixed Messages over Palestine</title>
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	<description>and his most excellent contributors</description>
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		<title>By: kevintracy</title>
		<link>http://www.ktracy.com/2009/clinton-sends-mixed-messages-over-palestine/comment-page-1/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>kevintracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The native population of the Americas weren&#039;t organized in a sense that Europeans of the time could appreciate, but particularly in areas conquered by the Spanish, there were entire civilized empires and societies with large cities and vast networks of trade that saw goods exchanged from all parts of the two continents.  In fact, artifacts from Canadian tribes have been found across South America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The native population of the Americas weren&#8217;t organized in a sense that Europeans of the time could appreciate, but particularly in areas conquered by the Spanish, there were entire civilized empires and societies with large cities and vast networks of trade that saw goods exchanged from all parts of the two continents.  In fact, artifacts from Canadian tribes have been found across South America.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Gearhart</title>
		<link>http://www.ktracy.com/2009/clinton-sends-mixed-messages-over-palestine/comment-page-1/#comment-699</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Gearhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the Native Americans (and correct me if I&#039;m wrong) weren&#039;t an organised society. Really, weren&#039;t they a bunch of seperate tribes, many hunters and gatherers, therefore not really the claims to land that the palestinians did?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the Native Americans (and correct me if I&#8217;m wrong) weren&#8217;t an organised society. Really, weren&#8217;t they a bunch of seperate tribes, many hunters and gatherers, therefore not really the claims to land that the palestinians did?</p>
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		<title>By: kevintracy</title>
		<link>http://www.ktracy.com/2009/clinton-sends-mixed-messages-over-palestine/comment-page-1/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>kevintracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the Lakota in the Dakotas have a more legitimate claim because, contractually, the United States violated terms and thus surrender control of that territory.

The difference between the Palestinians and Native Americans is really in timing.  The Native Americans were overrun well before the signing of the Geneva Conventions and the international community recognizes the legitimacy of the United States in our territories.  The Geneva Conventions actually ban acts of colonialism and conquest, so if - for some crazy reason - a new continent were discovered, we would not be able to walk all over the indigenous population the way Europe did over the American Indians.

What&#039;s more, the Palestinians had internationally recognized territory that was temporarily administered by the Jordanians and Egyptians prior to 1967.  When you look at a map and see the West Bank and Gaza Strip, these are the internationally recognized borders from before the 1967 war.  In 1967, Israel invaded these territories, kicked the Egyptians and Jordanians out, and occupies them to this day.  Native Americans never had the borders the international community ever really recognized and accepted... perhaps a better analogy in history would be the European Colonization of India and China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the Lakota in the Dakotas have a more legitimate claim because, contractually, the United States violated terms and thus surrender control of that territory.</p>
<p>The difference between the Palestinians and Native Americans is really in timing.  The Native Americans were overrun well before the signing of the Geneva Conventions and the international community recognizes the legitimacy of the United States in our territories.  The Geneva Conventions actually ban acts of colonialism and conquest, so if &#8211; for some crazy reason &#8211; a new continent were discovered, we would not be able to walk all over the indigenous population the way Europe did over the American Indians.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, the Palestinians had internationally recognized territory that was temporarily administered by the Jordanians and Egyptians prior to 1967.  When you look at a map and see the West Bank and Gaza Strip, these are the internationally recognized borders from before the 1967 war.  In 1967, Israel invaded these territories, kicked the Egyptians and Jordanians out, and occupies them to this day.  Native Americans never had the borders the international community ever really recognized and accepted&#8230; perhaps a better analogy in history would be the European Colonization of India and China.</p>
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		<title>By: daltonsbriefs</title>
		<link>http://www.ktracy.com/2009/clinton-sends-mixed-messages-over-palestine/comment-page-1/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>daltonsbriefs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hypothetical:

The United States probably signed that same convention right?  What if a group of Hopi Indians tried to start forming their own county in Arizona?  What if they said they were there first and demanded that the United States move all American citizens out of Arizona?  

I realize that &quot;what if&#039;s&quot; aren&#039;t a great way to argue, but if I&#039;m Israel I&#039;m settling as much of King David&#039;s territory as possible ... the settlers basically are pioneers living much the same as our own settlers in the old west did when we bought the region but had no ability to control or defend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hypothetical:</p>
<p>The United States probably signed that same convention right?  What if a group of Hopi Indians tried to start forming their own county in Arizona?  What if they said they were there first and demanded that the United States move all American citizens out of Arizona?  </p>
<p>I realize that &#8220;what if&#8217;s&#8221; aren&#8217;t a great way to argue, but if I&#8217;m Israel I&#8217;m settling as much of King David&#8217;s territory as possible &#8230; the settlers basically are pioneers living much the same as our own settlers in the old west did when we bought the region but had no ability to control or defend it.</p>
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